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Truth and Transcendence, brought to you by being Space with Catherine Llewellyn.
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Truth and Transcendence, episode 160, with special guest Roy Coughlin.
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Now Roy is here today to talk about truthfulness.
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He has six podcasts, several in the top 1%, and has broadcast over 1,300 episodes.
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His mission is to expose corruption and provide solutions to help people do this, which I think is really a good idea.
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Now you can find Roy at biolink forward slash podcaster, where there's a huge resource of podcasts, wisdom, self-help, podcasting, help and much, much more.
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So please do make sure you've got that link biolink forward slash podcaster.
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So, roy, thank you so much for coming on.
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Truth and Transcendence.
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Thank you very much for having me and I love your voice.
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I mean, we've spoke before, but I think you've got a fantastic voice for podcasting.
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Thank you so much.
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People used to say you've got a great face for radio.
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Slightly left, but right way of saying it.
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I like your voice as well.
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I love that soft Irish accent.
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It's particularly since you some people with an accent.
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You can't understand them because the accent's so strong and they don't articulate.
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But when someone has a lovely accent and they're really easy to understand, to me that's part of the color of life.
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So, roy, you're all about truthfulness.
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Can you remember your earliest memory of realizing that truthfulness was something really important to you?
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something really important to you.
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I I mean, I'm look, I look at kind of my journey in life and then, as I've kind of evolved, then I go back and I think of stuff that happened and I'm like that's not right.
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So there's two kind of answers to that.
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There's the one I went back and I went why were we?
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We start school, I think similar in the uk, I mean poland used to be seven, now at six, but we started school at four and it was like you were in big schools, like you know, farty in the classroom, fold your hands, put your you know, put your finger up to your mouth and just sit there and like for a four-year-old child.
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No, you kind of look back and you go that's not normal and even talking with friends, like they tape the child to the chair and everything they used, beat us with sticks and stuff like that, and like dusters, they bait, they throw a duster at you, so like did I kind of know that at the time?
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No, because we kind of thought that was normal.
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But when you look back and you go, how was that allowed?
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But I suppose my journey to kind of understanding everything I hope honestly, because the irish economy was kind of weird, like the celtic tiger.
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So I kind of grew up in that and I was like things are getting better and better.
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So I actually had faith in the government.
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I know people are cringing now when they hear me saying that's what we would faith in the government.
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But things were actually getting better.
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Hospitals were being built and you know the infrastructure was there and I started working in a company and I kind of got promoted from what now I kind of I they probably gave me too much for my age.
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I was in my early 20s and I got a thing called sciatica, which is like a trap nerve.
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I had a pain shooting on my leg and I didn't know what it was.
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But at the time I was working from 8 in the morning till 12 at night, like I was like really working very hard for these big projects no, non-multi-million pound projects.
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So I tried everything.
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I was trying, you know, acupuncture, I tried chiropractor, I tried a whole lot and in the end they said, okay, you need to get an epidural and yeah.
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So I mean most people would never heard of a man getting an epidural.
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And I was born a man and I still am man, but I do, I do know that sciatica can be a real bastard, you know, it can really be debilitating.
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So, um, but I gotta say epidural does sound a bit of a weird response to it.
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Anyway, please continue so what they said is we give you the picture and you're awake.
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When you do it which I remember it was painful and then they put you to sleep and then they're manipulating your body and I remember when I woke up, the one thing is I like they tossed or something.
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I went to get up and I was paralyzed from the chest down and that was such a horrible feeling.
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But then, after that wore off, I was getting pains down my other leg.
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So it was that didn't work and I mean I was at my wits end.
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I mean I couldn't take medication because it used to affect my stomach and then I'd be just kind of bouncing off the walls and it was just just wasn't right for me.
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So then they recommended surgery.
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They said oh, you have a prolapsed disc.
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The disc is protruding on the nerve and that's what's causing it.
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I just assumed that they knew what they were talking about and just went along with it, got the operation and came out and it was like no difference and I was like I know I was really ready to throw it at all, cause I knew I couldn't live with this pain because you couldn't even sleep.
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You know, the pain was so bad, like you move and you're just constant.
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And I came across this book I don't know how it landed on my lap Divine intervention, whatever you call it, it was called healing back pain by Dr John Sarno.
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Read it and within two weeks it was gone.
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And it's not that I wasn't experienced that pain, because I was, and I have recommended that book to over 20 people because sometimes people get the pain down the arm and same thing.
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They all got great results and it's like why are they hiding this?
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It's all about the money.
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So that was kind of the first kind of I see, there's something wrong here I understand so kind of.
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In brief, what did he suggest in the book?
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it was honestly it's been so many years because I gave it to somebody and they took it and I said I need to get it again.
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I I really.
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I know sounds strange, but I can't remember because I was in my early 20s when it happened.
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I completely understand, yeah, but all I remember is just telling people about it.
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And yeah, there's even videos on it and you can even get the book online because, like I'm conscious always of people's budgets and everything, and sometimes people.
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They're barely able to keep the lights on.
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So, even if things are that you can get a digital version of that book, you can even.
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He's done some stuff he's passed on now, but he's got YouTube videos and everything and it's well worth checking out if you're suffering from that or know somebody that's actually suffering from the affliction?
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Yes, amazing.
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So you thought right, this is really straightforward.
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I've managed to fix myself in two weeks by reading a book and following what is said in the book.
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And that's interesting, that thing, that when the pain is gone, it's almost like we forget we had the pain, we forget how we fixed it, because we're on in the next phase of our life, aren't we?
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And it's like, thank God it's gone, let's not even speak of it again.
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But then you made a link and you said to yourself why are they not telling us about this in the medical profession?
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so say a bit more about where your thinking went from there I think it was just kind of seeing that and then just paying attention to different things going on and kind of looking at, say, government things and how they like, even going back like a few years before that.
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There was.
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Another thing that I spotted is, when I finished college that it was kind of like I did, um, construction, economics and management, and I thought I'd walk into a job, because you think you go to college, you get a diploma, you're going to walk into a job, and it was like loads of dear john letters and a big pile of uh thanks but no thanks.
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So I ended up doing a government job.
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Um course, it was construction site supervision, and when I went in there it was like a lot of people from the university were in the same kind of boat, you know they couldn't get anything.
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So they decided, okay, let's do something else.
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And all they were doing is like foxers, which is kind of I mean, you'd probably be familiar with foxers where you're kind of doing jobs for, for people you know, like designing houses and things like that.
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So like the, the teacher or whatever was getting paid for this, but we weren't, and we were doing a lot of projects like that.
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Oh, I think so.
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You were doing assignments that as part of your study that you weren't getting paid for, but your teacher was taking your work and making money off it.
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So that wasn't the university, this was a government course FOSS was the name of it and I was like this isn't right.
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So I saw they had a computer and then I told them look, get me a manual on AutoCAD.
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And I taught myself AutoCAD, but it was like I kind of knew at that time.
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I was like this time I think this isn't good.
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You know that this they're corrupt, like this is serious corruption, the way that they're doing this thing, yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense.
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So so you obviously had an ability to notice those sort of cognitive mismatches, those sort of mismatches between one thing and another.
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And but I'm also interested in what you said about that you had a long period of time as a child and then coming up to your early 20s when you were very trusting, when you trusted that what you were being told was right and the way you were being treated must be okay, because everybody's doing it.
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And my history was completely different.
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I was told right from the off, as soon as I could talk don't trust the government, don't trust the institutions, do not, whatever happens, end up in hospital, if you can possibly avoid it, because once you're in there, you never know what they're going to do.
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So it was very, very different.
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But it's fascinating to me hearing your story where you had this kind of debilitating condition and they tried all these really brutal things on you and then you discovered a much more straightforward way of doing it, and that's always fascinated me.
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I mean, why is it that what is recommended is often kind of a very brutal solution, when actually the actual solution is so simple by comparison.
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That's never quite made sense to me it's about money.
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It's, I mean, there's one money and then there's kind of the pain, because if somebody is happy and healthy, there's a better environment, not only with them but they're surrounding their families, their friends and cousins and stuff like that, whereas if they're miserable, it's, like you know, people don't really want to be around them.
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If you're, you know, if your father or your mother has a you know some debilitating thing, you know it's not a nice environment to be in, and they know that.
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And plus, even in america, like the amount of people that go bankrupt because of medical expenses, that's pathetic.
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Like nobody should ever have to do that.
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And I remember there was one of the girls that used to work for me in poland.
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She used to go to america to act to be a waitress, because she made so much money with tips and stuff like that that for the summer it was worked for a while because she was a student, so she was like part-time for me and she made so much money.
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And she was telling me that there was people there that if they cut their finger badly they wouldn't go to the hospital because they couldn't afford it.
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They just tried to patch it up themselves.
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I was like you know, because we wouldn't have experienced that in kind of Ireland or England you go like what it's that bad and like what you mentioned, there is like you were kind of told, you know, don't go to the hospital.
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And the scary thing is what's happened in the last few years.
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I think a lot of people now have that thought and it's like definitely me.
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It's like definitely me.
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It's like you do not go near the hospital.
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I mean, I've had one guest on and he's talking about his daughter was murdered because of what they've done and he's got proof and he's taking a lawsuit at in the states at the moment with it.
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But like even with me, I just I hate going to the hospitals or doctorating.
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I was on a holiday in Turkey about three weeks ago and I was just playing football with my son my youngest child, he's 10, and we were just playing and they pulled my groin and then the next morning I was going home for a coffee and I was holding on to the banister because I could barely move and I fell down the stairs.
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I destroyed my shoulder and I went to get to the spa and get kind of massage him and he actually called the medical people because he saw how bad it was and I went no, I'm grand, even though I wasn't grand, I was in agony.
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So when I came back like that happened on a friday, I came back on the sunday, on the monday my whole leg went purple, dark purple, and I was like, okay, this isn't good.
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And I went to a medical center just five minutes from me and I've never met such nice people, how they've looked after me and it's like I've kind of tired.
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Everybody with the same brush and they're all the same, they're all into this.
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She was even telling me the doctor was there that they make it sound like you have to get the jab when you're a kid here, which I know, they were pushing that on me for my job and she goes no, you don't have to.
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So I knew, okay, this is different and everyone there they're looking and I had to get a usg to see what was wrong.
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So apparently it snapped and it's not going to repair.
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It's a fairly bad injury that I've got, but it was like I went to one doctor to get the usg.
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They didn't do it.
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All she did is give me medication.
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I don't like medication.
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And when I went to that center.
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They said why did they do that?
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She don't take that, you don't need that, and like you never hear that nobody ever says about another doctor, they always kind of go along.
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So I felt so good knowing now that I've got a place that has my back, and they recommended me to go to a sports place and that's how I found out how bad it was.
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So I'm getting the right therapy to fix it.
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But I know that there's so many people out there now they never want to go near a hospital yeah and we can't think they're all the same, because there's not.
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There's some genuine people out there that really want to help you that's so important, and I suppose that that also means we need to take responsibility for looking and finding the right people, don't we?
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I think people talk about well, they always recommend this and it's not right, etc.
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But then how often do we actually stop and go?
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What do I think is right?
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Do I want to follow what I'm being asked to do, or do I want to think for myself and keep looking until I find?
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I mean, even if someone's going to use, let's say, acupuncture, which I'm a fan of acupuncture, I would always say to somebody don't necessarily go to the first acupuncturist you find, check out a few of them, find the one that resonates for you, where you feel you can kind of work together, where you can communicate, and then you're going to get a good service.
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But if you just think you've got to take the first one, the same with therapy and all of these other things, you know, you've got to kind of take responsibility for yourself, haven't you?
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Absolutely, because some people they'll go into a week's course and they're an acupuncturist.
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Or there's chiropractors that are like they kind of do what they're told and they just go along.
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And then there's others that really understand that and you go to two different types of chiropractors and one is like wow, I feel fantastic after this, and the other you feel like he's just turned into a pretzel.
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You know, you're just kind of.
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I think checking reviews as well is important.
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They know that because people will go this guy is really good and just ask around and if it doesn't feel right, don't.
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Don't say I keep trying.
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You, you kind of your body will tell you and it's like nah, there's something wrong here.
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Or the professionalism and just how they're acting, and you know the good people, yeah, yeah.
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So you've got to connect him with what you think is right, because I know people who are all about truth, let's say, but they get all their opinions from other people.
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Some of these people, they get their opinions about what's true from other people rather than from themselves, and I always kind of question that and think, well, how sustainable is that really in your life?
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And the thing is, because of the way the world is, in the propaganda sometimes they put out information and they block it and ban it intentionally, because then they'll think people think it's true then and that's all part of the propaganda, because you go oh, they banned that, it must be true because we've been brainwashed to think that's how it works.
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They know that, so they do everything.
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So you have to be very careful and it's like I mean, you probably know it yourself you end up surrounding yourself with people.
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So some people will send you stuff, no matter what.
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They just find something and send it.
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And then you have a circle of friends that they don't do that.
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You know they're doing serious homework.
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They really they don't.
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They don't give you stuff that can be wrong.
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And when you have your trusted group and vice versa, you send them stuff when you've, when you dig deep and find a personal experience, and I think you just build that.
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But there's a lot of times there are people are intentionally caught out and it's not.
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They're trying to help people.
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They get information and they put it out and then they're attacked.
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And you know there's plenty of people in social media that they they spend their time just attacking someone and then people are getting depressed because of that.
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So what I would say?
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Because that's going to happen.
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If you're ever kind of trying to share the truth out there and what's going on, don't engage, because these people, even if you check their profiles very few friends or they've set up a separate profile or anything like that.
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You either report it, you delete it or you leave it.
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But do not engage because it's like talking to a wall and all you do is you suck your own energy and you're better off.
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Just keep the fight that you're doing and keep moving on and just brush these people out of the way.
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But I've seen so many people.
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They're throwing the toll because they start engaging with these people and then, instead of thinking of the hundred people that have thanked them, giving them beautiful comments, they concentrate on the one negative person and that's where their energy goes yes don't let that happen that's such a good point.
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I mean, I've experienced that in my in other work not on social media where, where I'm running workshops or doing whatever I'm doing, lots of positive feedback and then one person sends something that's really cutting and snidey and it's easy to get sucked into becoming obsessed with that response.
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And right do I go back to them and I remember once someone said to me just ignore it, just ignore it.
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This is someone who needs to get out more.
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It's not really having a great life and that's not your fault and not your problem.
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But I took that and it made such a difference because I realized the people that are supposed to find out about what I'm offering, let's say, and where it's relevant, they're going to come.
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If it's great for them, it's great.
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If it's not great for them, they'll tell me and we'll work on it and whatever.
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But these random people, as you're saying, somebody showed me something from Twitter.
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I'm not on Twitter.
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Somebody had put up a post which disagreed with some of the current narrative.
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I can't remember what it was about.
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I think it might've been about ivermectin or something like that, where they were saying that ivermectin can be quite useful in any way.
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It's been used for years and they got several responses completely criticizing what they were saying and each response was supposedly from a different person and the wording on each response was identical.
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And then I understood there are these kind of robots yeah, there's butt worms here, um and I thought, but it's so obvious, how do they think anyone's going to believe it?
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just on that, because it was one recently, because I'm constantly doing marketing stuff for the different things I'm doing and one like I'm trying to understand a ai kind of as much as possible and use it to the advantage.
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And I got, got the call and I went this is AI.
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And he goes no, this is a real person.
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I was going all right and I start talking.
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And then I was like no, this is definitely AI.
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I goes why did you lie to me that you pretended you were AI?
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Oh, I'm sorry about that.
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This is what we do.
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Yeah, you're correct, and there was like the level of how it's good, there's one guy I know and he he creates like the ai to kind of mimic himself.
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So you can do that, you can feed it the information that it then thinks it's kind of like you that you can do it with the social media.
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And I was writing to a guy that we'd normally write on whatsapp and then he rings me and he's getting off and he goes.
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You were writing to my ai and I didn't know.
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So that's the level that it's at.
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So you know there's sometimes you know just from the conversation, but no, but, like you know, if you're trying to get through to any organization and this is transferring from the, the bot or ai to whatever way to an operator, and it's not.
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Sometimes it's actually they're pretending as operator and it's, and once you kind of see it, you keep seeing it then and you understand it.
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So there's advantages that can reduce a lot of work, but there's a lot of disadvantages and the thing as well as unfortunately, it's like people doing a google search.
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They do a search and they assume it to be correct.
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Google is highly, you know, infiltrated.
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Like that is not a safe one.
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I go use brave and and it's also about the question.
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But with ai there's people they'll ask the question and they regurgitate and that's assuming it to be gospel and there's so many people and I've had a lot of interviews about that that the stuff that they share is incorrect and people are just kind of spreading that, like we've talked about earlier, spreading the wrong information.
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Sometimes they think they're doing right because they've asked it and that's what they're sharing seems to be very careful.
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So, yes, when people are researching so, whether it's 5g, chemtrails, whatever it is, there's so much different things going on change the question instead of saying is something safe?
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Ask why is this dangerous?
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You'll get totally different results.
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And the way the algorithms work is the person that has a certain belief system they're getting bombarded with their belief system, so that reinforces their belief.
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And the person that doesn't knows what's going on.
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They start seeing all this stuff.
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So they're and we're looking at each other across the table, going how can you not see this?
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Yeah, because the way the like Twitter and all that I mean some people are thinking you know, elon Musk is the saving grace, like all you have to do is look at the history, the clothing that he wears, who he's connected to, and you can't be putting your trust in them.
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And, like you mentioned, twitter is so, so negative.
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It's like you go into that and it's just all it's supposed to be like free speech and it's safe.
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And like you go into that and it's just all it's supposed to be like free speech and it's safe, like you go into it and it's like it's not a positive place to be.
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So people are spending so many hours Now they think, oh, this is brilliant.
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He's, he's on our side, he's got our back, and that's not the way it is.
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And you have to be very careful because all of them.
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They're taking your data and they're using it, so you have to be very careful.
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Don't put trust in any of the social medias.
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So going back to when you started thinking, okay, this doesn't make sense.
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They're telling me I need to do this.
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So you were kind of juggling with a few things as you were speaking earlier about being given one piece of advice, realizing it wasn't right.
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Then there's the danger of assuming that all medical people are going to give you the wrong advice and aren't going to look after you, and then discovering these wonderful people who did look after you really well and then realizing I can't tar everyone with the same brush.
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So what happened then, in your kind of path in relation to truthfulness?
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so I had moved to poland and I like built up, um, I had a lot of companies and doing syndicates together, so we had like a big commercial, we were development to build turkey apartments and houses and stuff like that.
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And when the crash happened I was actually doing very well.
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I didn't know a big teammate of 14 people working for me at one stage.
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So I was doing well and, like I was a small boy, like there was people who were 20 million, that were in the syndicates that they put together and then they started losing everything and I was thinking, now this is a hiccup, this is going going to come right.
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So I started putting more money into, like, say, the commercial, and I said, look, I'll charge you, you know, 10% interest a year and if you can't pay me, we'll just, you know, I'll just increase my shareholding.
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And everybody was happy.
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But it never came right.
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And then I was kind of going, hey, I'm have interest, only I'll sell off different things.
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And as soon as we missed payment, they sent in the bailiffs.
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So, on the commercial property, what happened is they basically told the tenants not to pay me.
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Then they stopped paying the gas and the electricity, which got turned off, which meant all the tenants left, and then you had the people on the street coming in just taking copper and anything that was worth money and destroyed it.