Ep 170: Emma Rowena Hansen ~ Intuition, Self-Love & Inner Truth

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Truth and Transcendence, brought to you by being Space with Katherine Llewellyn.

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Truth and Transcendence, episode 170, with special guest Emma Rowena Hanson.

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Episode 117 with special guest Emma Rowena Hansen.

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And Emma has come on today to talk about finding our truth, which, given I have a podcast called Truth and Transcendence, it's obvious why I'm interested in that.

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And we're going to talk about Emma, but first I'm going to tell you where you can find her, which is at emmarowenano, which I think means Norway.

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Is that right?

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That's right, yes, emmarowenano, my first Norwegian guest.

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Emma is a musician, performer, an intuitive reader, a healer, a meditation guide and a social entrepreneur, and her entire impetus is to find her own truth and assist others to find theirs.

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And we were chatting earlier about the fact that there's always another shift.

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So, no matter how much we found our own truth, there's always more to be found in due course, and as one moves on with life, one realizes there's always another shift.

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So, emma, thank you so much for coming on the show thank you.

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I'm excited to be here.

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Thank you for having me my pleasure and I I'll just say one more thing, which it really also feeds into the whole podcast, which is this idea that when we find our truth, everything changes, and when we do not find our truth or when we're denying our truth, that's when everything gets stuck.

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So when we find our truth, we find the possibility of transcendence and all of the wonderful things that go with that.

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So, emma, I'm going to jump straight in with my favorite first question, which is, if you cast your mind back, can you remember the first time that this notion of finding our truth became real for you or caught your attention?

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a truth became real for you or caught your attention.

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Well, it's actually a great question and it's a sequel of events for me actually.

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But looking back, I'm not sure I realized then that that was what I was seeing.

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But I know that part of me was connecting to my truth in these instances, and one of them is when I was a tiny little child and I was communicating with this guide of mine, asking them to not shut the door before my guide came in, that sort of thing.

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So I was connected to the greater part of me.

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That I believe is part of our truth.

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I don't believe this is my experience, so it's stronger, it's bigger than a belief.

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But in the later years, after shutting everything out, I know I've been searching for things sort of along the way, trying to discover whether I could be a psychic or discover if there were things to me that I didn't understand.

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I know also that I felt that I was blocked at some level and then suddenly I decided to communicate with these two women who had a course here in Norway it was quite a lot of media around it because one of the women is the princess, the king's daughter, and they had a course that they called the angel school.

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Now, they didn't call it that, but the press called it that because they talked to the angels.

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They were saying and I discarded that immediately because I followed the mainstream and then suddenly I decided to just send a mail and ask what do you do?

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Because I felt there was something more there.

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And they said well, you can come for an interview and we'll discuss it.

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And I didn't.

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I didn't ask to come for an interview, but they invited me.

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Six months later I got an email saying you have an interview on June 4th at 1 o'clock.

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That was the exact time and date I remember and I thought, goodness, I never asked for that.

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But then I went and what they did was they?

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They did a little reading on me and they interviewed me.

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Why did I want to join the course?

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It was a year long first and then a second.

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You could build on with two and three years.

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And uh, and I said I don't really, I just feel blocked and I know there's something in my music, in my expression, that I want to release and for some reason, maybe that's here.

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And when they did the reading, I felt so elevated, I felt so relieved had seen me for the first time and and as if I lifted my energy above my sort of heavy, fearful, dark and I'll come back to that later because, um, that's sort of the background I was coming from and my perspective of of thing being, things being heavy and myself being worthless.

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I was lifted above that and and I felt there's something I need to discover here.

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But I asked them how can you do that, how can you learn to do that?

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And they said you know, you've just forgotten.

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And then, of course, they approved me for the course because they obviously felt my energy and my, my desire was, was strong enough.

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And it was a beautiful journey through three years of digging deep, exploring, opening up, listening, learning to listen, learning to follow the images that come when you tune into your intuition.

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For me it's images.

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To some people it's through hearing stories or hearing words, some people just know and I started to understand that I was tapping into something deep within me that I had discarded and hidden and forgotten.

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And I know now that that's my core, the essence, what I call the truth, which you can call the soul, you can call it the divine connection, you can call it the higher wisdom, the inner wisdom, whatever it is, but to me, it is who I am in essence, and that is what I feel to be what I call our truth.

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How beautiful, thank you.

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So it sounds like you were kind of connected to it when you were a child and then went away from it, and you were quite brief when you described that childhood experience.

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Do you mind if I take you back to that, please?

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Do I only remember that?

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Yeah, you said something about closing the door or keeping the door open.

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Yeah, that was actually.

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That was just an incident that I remember and I didn't remember it then, but I was reminded of it later that whenever I went into a car, my parents were going to drive me off or we were going to drive off somewhere.

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I never let them close the door until my guide, my personal angel or friend, was allowed in as well.

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So, they had to give time for that energy to come in.

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So I felt there was somebody with me all the time.

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Now that's the sort of thing that adults laugh a little at oh yeah, she's got a fantasy friend.

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But to me, I know now who this energy is.

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It's still with me and it's one of my guides, what I call the, the energetic, the invisible guides, if you like, the.

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Some people call it the guardian angel, whatever it is you know.

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So it was that I, and that tells me that I know I had a lot of connection to that when I was little, but I shut it off quite quickly later and that's where the door, the other door you close.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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When did, when did you shut it off?

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oh, I don't know.

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Um, I must have been four at this time, three or four when that incident happened and I think I started shutting it off not very long after that.

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And this has to do with and I see this a lot in people, people I work with, and in children as well my son I've experienced this in they have a very open perspective and view of who they really are and everything that they can access, both higher and hidden in wisdom, if you like, or invisible wisdom, until they slowly start to bring the rational mind into focus and relate to the stories and the rules and the whatever ideas that we have, the patterns, the teachings that we have in our world, that you have to think and know with your rational mind how to navigate this life.

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And it's interesting because and I think that's what happened, it was people around me had no relation to this higher perspective, or at least they didn't nourish it in themselves, or at least they didn't nourish it in themselves, so I had no guide in this world.

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As children, we do our best to become people, you know, and our surroundings teach us to become people, but on their terms and not in the term of or in the relation to who we are, the greater perspective of who we are um and our souls um.

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And I remember actually I just discovered um a post that I had posted.

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I think I must have just started social media.

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My son was five and I posted a post where he had said, or I had said to him I think I've lived longer than you, I think I know this better than you.

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And he said well, I've just come from the angels, I think I know this better than you?

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What was the topic?

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Can you remember?

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I don't remember.

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I do not remember, but there was something that's the only quote I put there and I know that he had a lot of information that he kept getting in Because I had started my training at that point and I had started opening up.

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And he helped me to open up Because that was the other aspect you asked when did I start to see that I had a different truth or had a truth in me?

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He opened my heart.

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I started connecting to the fact that I actually have love in my heart through his entering into my life.

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Of course, yeah.

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And before that, my life was governed by fear fear of not being good enough, as a lot of people did, and fear of not being clever enough, as a lot of people do.

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And the fear of not being clever enough, good looking enough, everything you know and of doing the wrong thing, of not understanding the codes of this life that people give you from their own different perspectives.

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So it's a very confusing reality, and when you've not learned to continue to listen to your inner voice as a child, you start adopting what they show you.

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But I think I tried to help at least my son to stay a bit longer with his intuition and he still does it but at some point he shut it off, and I know why because he experienced some frightening things.

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He didn't protect himself and at that time I didn't know well enough how to help him protect himself right from from energies that are imbalanced.

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Yeah, um, so we're touching a little bit, um, the supernatural here.

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That's what people call it.

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To me it's natural.

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I don't believe in evil forces.

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I know there is darkness, I know there is heaviness, I know, but to me that is energy and love in outer balance, and I think that's what happens when we lose touch with our truth.

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I believe our truth lies in our coming from love, from unconditional divine love.

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Putting layers of confused information on top of that heart or that love of that essence, that core things get out of balance, and that's, I think, also when we start to sometimes nourish the more destructive emotions and forces in us and thoughts, and it's a loop sort of the thoughts nourish the emotions and the other way around.

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And I think when you start to listen or I feel and I experience and I see it in my clients and I see it in my son when you start to allow the actual voices and the emotions in you to speak to you and you understand that it's pure information of where you are, how balanced or imbalanced you are in relation to your truth and your core, then you can start to reconnect to your core and let them go.

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They don't have to be your guide anymore.

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Guides, that was a long rant?

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No, not at all.

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No, I love the way you describe it.

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I mean, some of what you're talking about seems to relate to what I might think of as stagnation or congestion.

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Yeah, and then you get a buildup which can manifest as darkness, or pain, or distress, or even illness.

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Ultimately, Absolutely so.

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The stagnation is, in a way, part of it.

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I think, also what we do.

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You're absolutely right, there is a stagnation, the lower energies, the dense energies, that we call it.

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You can feel it.

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You can feel the difference between the guilt and the grief and the anger and the fear.

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It's like a congestion, as you said, whereas when you're in a free flow, when you open up, when you let go, there is a much, much lighter feeling to it and to me, that's the information.

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When you're in touch with that lightness, you're in touch with your essence, because it matches the flow of life, the flow of love.

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It balances with your core and that core has to be in, in my experience, love and creation, yeah, uh, and when you're there, you also have the peace.

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So, um, but part of what we do, when we have these emotions, we try especially when you're looking for truth and when you're looking to heal, you try to reject those emotions.

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So you give them a lot of attention as you reject them and you solidify them even more sometimes, yeah, and that's also part of that's also, I think, a lot of the reason why people find they do not heal, even though they try all these things because they're trying to reject that which does not do them any good.

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But it's just information and if you can understand and embrace yourself in understanding or accepting that density as your information, that density as your information, and almost like you're consoling a child who's in pain or you're sort of comforting somebody who's struggling, comfort yourself, or ah, that's how it feels to not be in balance.

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It's quite natural to feel like this because I've lost my path a little bit.

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I'll embrace myself for it like I would a little child.

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And then you start to come in touch with that self-love and the love and the nourishment and then your truth starts to be allowed to come through, it starts to open up.

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And it's a lot to do, I find, with daring to listen to that which is within and your voice, your emotions, your thoughts.

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It's daring to not neglecting or rejecting or pushing them away, but acknowledging, and then you can say, ah, but I don't need those.

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They're telling me that I'm a little out of balance.

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Now, sometimes you need help to do this, but it's a beautiful, beautiful experience Once you start to manage to see and sense this and use the.

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And you talked about shifts and you were saying before that when's my next shift?

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They come when you actually come across these contrasts or these frictions of who you are in relation to what your life is showing you or your old patterns are bringing forward to you again, and you manage to somehow break through or at least step aside a little bit and say, ah, this is a shift, but I still have myself.

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I can release them, I can break through them, I can fight them.

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That'll take a little longer, but my truth is always behind there.

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Yeah, yeah so it's remembering that our truth is always there, always present, always, always there, and that sometimes there's a friction between that and something that's showing up for us in our lives or, yes, in our emotionality, or whatever it might be.

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But that's the opportunity for the shift exactly, and that's that's the most powerful opportunity that you have.

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And somebody once told me your soul, so you always have your soul.

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Now, this is something that I found so helpful for me is to recognize that I always have me.

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I cannot lose me because I am simply, you know, I am.

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Our soul is here.

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Now.

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Our souls are I experience it eternal.

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So we're here to experience the friction and to work through it and to find a way, I think, to to embrace ourselves and and elevate ourselves, um, to such a degree that we can rekindle the joy and the love that we come from.

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That's what I think this life is all about.

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And I think what people, when you realize that you always have your soul, and then this woman that taught me quite a few things, christy Marie Sheldon she does online courses she said your soul loves you so much that when you say to yourself I'm going to shift now or I'm going to heal or I'm going to change my life, it will say great, and I'll show you all the things that are blocking you and I'll bring them forward, and I'll bring them until they're done.

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So your patterns, and if you don't hear it and if you don't manage, they'll come forward even stronger until you get it, but you will always as long as you're on the search.

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I have this experience and I believe that you will always find it as long as you want.

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You have the intention to heal and find your truth Beautiful.

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It reminds me of when I bought an apartment and I wanted to have it redecorated and they came in and before they could redecorate we had to strip off the moldy wallpaper and let the wool dry out and all the mold die.

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We had to dig out the rotten bits of wool.

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We had to smooth it all down.

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All of that took a lot, lot longer and then they could decorate it right, but we wouldn't have done all of that.

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No, exactly right at the end of it.

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It was beautiful, yeah, and actually the fact we'd gone through that whole process I mean, they did the majority of the work, but you know I was present throughout it actually made the whole thing that much more satisfying, because we knew we had, we'd created the foundation for exactly bring about we haven't just papered over.

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You know what some people do is they get thick wallpaper over the top of the wall.

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It doesn't work.

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Maybe another layer yeah, and then it'll eventually come through.

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It will not give up until you've taken it out, all the molds and whatever you know it's there to to be released.

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So, yes, it is quite powerful and and and you talked about foundation, and and I have a book that I released now in july and the whole book is a little bit about.

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It's a testimony that I've dedicated to my son, because whenever he wants to start to, to search, I'm hoping that some of my uh learnings and some of the experiences I've had might help him if he wants to look into that.

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But it's also it's for young people and it's for parents and it's for people on a search, because in the book, as I say, in the beginning my life used to be based on fear.

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My foundation was fear because I was not in contact with my core and my essence.

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I didn't realize that I always have myself and that that myself is beautiful and lovable.

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Yes, on the contrary, I was completely filled with fear and every choice I made was fear ridden, and and.

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Then I came to this course and I started opening up and my son came into my life.

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It was the other way around my son first, and then this course, and, and, and I started to understand that things could be different.

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But I only started to understand that after having taken some steps and after having followed some, some teachings and and done some work on myself and learned to read other people and work on them and and and see what what sort of this whole picture of of tension and release and tension and release that I think we're all going through in our lives because we are in a different dimension, that our nature is.

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I think you've had some programs around that.

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I think your audience probably knows a little bit about that.

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But um, uh and um, what I find is that, um, going through, uh, this tension and release and never.

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I'm sorry, I lost my train a little bit there.

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There's something coming in here.

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Okay, just a minute.

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I'm sorry, katherine, I just completely lost my there's plenty of time yeah, so, yeah, I'll share.

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So that was the foundation with the fear.

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Um, I must have tapped into a little bit of fear here because something really started to shift here.

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It's so interesting because and I have to, this is going to be a different tangent for a moment here because when I stopped before I joined this call, I sat down meditating.

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I said, okay, let me bring in the higher energy that I do when I do a reading.

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When I do a reading, I see the images and I follow them, I follow the guidance from above and then it it just flows.

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But when I meet some obstacle, it's usually an obstacle that matches my own obstacles that I haven't released here, and I think there was some of the old fear from my old foundation that came in to haunt me a little bit here.

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And so it's interesting, you're getting a right sort of live reading bit here.

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Um what you're demonstrating something.

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I'm just going to say you're demonstrating something.

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Yeah, exactly what you're demonstrating is that you are human and you are alive and you're on a journey.

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You're not, you're not a cutout, no, exactly so it's yeah, it's quite interesting to me, um, to sit here on this um and talk with you when this happens.

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What I wanted to share a little bit about is how, when I started to pick up these teachings and I started to experience and see other people's journeys and do readings with other people and see the whole picture, I also started to understand that my foundation or rather, I didn't understand that my foundation was shifting, but it started to shift.

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And then, a little bit later, I realized that my foundation was now not based on fear, but it was based on empowerment, on self-love, on understanding that there is magic in this world.

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That's what I wanted to come to.

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Okay, good, yes, that's what I was.

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I've got lots of support here, and this is not just for me.

00:25:28.474 --> 00:25:30.953
This is support because I asked for before this talk.

00:25:30.953 --> 00:25:35.517
I asked to bring forward something that could touch people out there.

00:25:35.517 --> 00:25:37.930
Talk.

00:25:37.930 --> 00:25:39.413
I asked to to bring forward something that could touch people out there.

00:25:39.452 --> 00:26:13.760
It's the magic of understanding that you can shift your entire life simply by being you and by listening to you, and that goes whatever you're doing, and I know you talk a lot to leaders and I have a very strong sense that I want to work with young people that's the social entrepreneur in me and helping them to find the leadership in their heart so they can become the future's new leaders of the heart.

00:26:14.221 --> 00:26:28.141
Yes, yes, and they need to understand and listen to themselves in order to be able to do so authentically, and I believe that this is where we will go.

00:26:28.141 --> 00:26:47.964
We can go and I wish to take part in it, but I think we all have a part to play in this, and every time we step into our own journey of healing and love, we help the next generation to do so.

00:26:47.964 --> 00:27:12.159
Whenever we, as parents and this is one of the reasons I spoke wrote the book whenever we, as parents, step into our own journey of releasing the old way of doing it and daring to be authentic guides for our children, but first of all ourselves, because that's where it starts we help the young generation to create a different world.

00:27:13.442 --> 00:27:14.002
I think you're right.

00:27:14.002 --> 00:27:20.594
I think you're right, I think you're right and, as you said beautifully, your child is also your teacher.

00:27:20.594 --> 00:27:28.064
So there's a beautiful figure of eight cycle.

00:27:28.064 --> 00:27:33.304
You know where you, as a child, were your own teacher and your child now is your teacher.

00:27:33.304 --> 00:27:36.662
And you, as an adult, were your own teacher and your child now is your teacher.

00:27:36.662 --> 00:27:41.377
And you, as an adult, are affirming the child that you were and affirming the child that you have brought into the world.

00:27:41.377 --> 00:27:47.240
Yeah, and now you're looking to help young people find the leader within.

00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:51.258
Yes, and I love what you said about the magic.

00:27:51.258 --> 00:27:54.460
Let me see if I can give it back, because I felt it was so strong.

00:27:54.460 --> 00:28:05.844
The magic is realizing that you can change your life by listening to yourself and being who you are.

00:28:05.844 --> 00:28:06.845
Was that what?

00:28:06.865 --> 00:28:12.076
you said yes, uh, and there's an element, see.

00:28:12.076 --> 00:28:14.500
Okay, here's where my guidance is coming in.

00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:19.306
So I hope you forgive me for being suddenly in a bit of a state of being guided here as well.

00:28:19.306 --> 00:28:21.501
I asked for it.

00:28:21.865 --> 00:28:22.210
No, I love it.

00:28:23.070 --> 00:28:35.799
Because there's a very, very strong message coming through, through a lot of people working to help other people with this kind of guidance, that we can elevate and we should.

00:28:35.799 --> 00:29:00.501
And this is this strong, strong desire in the universe and in more and more people down here now to elevate this world and to help us understand that we have so much more that we can be and share and do in ourselves, simply by being ourselves.

00:29:00.583 --> 00:29:28.191
now, having said that, okay, having said that it's not something we have to force through and it's not something we have to fight to do, it's something we can allow yeah and the allowance is the big healing, because when you allow, and that's where and now, there's a big, big stream of light coming through with that word, and it's a big word for us.

00:29:28.230 --> 00:29:50.721
And I've heard some of your other guests talk about the allowing as well, and I know you have as well allowing the light, allowing yourself to come through, stepping back a little bit and allowing your soul, your light, your intuition, your heart to breathe out.

00:29:50.721 --> 00:29:56.521
And it can happen in elevated moments in meditation.

00:29:56.521 --> 00:30:04.378
But it can also happen in tiny little practical things, like you do something that you really enjoy, you say something nice to somebody.

00:30:04.378 --> 00:30:12.454
That is letting that light out, you embrace yourself, you embrace somebody else.

00:30:12.454 --> 00:30:25.253
You make sure to I know you've talked about gratitude as well to to remember something to be grateful for all these practices is part of this allowing your light, your truth, to come forward.

00:30:25.253 --> 00:30:31.212
And when we start to do that, we start to connect in that more and more.

00:30:31.212 --> 00:30:39.056
And that's, I think, when, when not only our individual foundation starts to shift but the foundation of humanity.

00:30:39.056 --> 00:30:41.741
And I'm talking big words here, but this is where we're going.

00:30:42.309 --> 00:30:48.481
I think I agree, 100%, absolutely, and the way you describe it.

00:30:48.481 --> 00:30:54.842
What strikes me is it sounds like you're talking about allowing something that wants to happen.

00:30:54.842 --> 00:30:55.395
Yes, definitely.

00:30:55.395 --> 00:31:08.421
And it's about not getting in the way of that we're talking about allowing something that wants to happen yes, it wants to happen, and it's about not getting in the way of that, opening ourselves to allow that to come through, but in such a way that we're changed by that process.

00:31:11.891 --> 00:31:18.844
And it'll take time, because we have all patterns of fear and restriction and rationality.

00:31:18.844 --> 00:31:29.353
So coming to terms with these things and understanding that these are actually not necessary for us takes sometimes time.

00:31:29.353 --> 00:31:45.103
And being kind to ourselves as we fall back to our little patterns or as we um these old patterns that are wanting to be released come forward to, to show us what we're struggling with.

00:31:45.103 --> 00:31:56.000
Embracing ourselves in that, I think, is really really important so that we can um honor, um the journey for ourselves and that we're actually taking it.

00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.433
We're here, we're doing it yes, we are.

00:31:59.595 --> 00:32:00.355
We're on the path.

00:32:00.917 --> 00:32:10.739
Yes, it is happening it is happening and it can be terrifying because it's so some, sometimes so different from what we think it should be.

00:32:10.739 --> 00:32:22.809
Um, I also want to say there are a few things, there are many things that that I have discovered and, as I was writing the book as well, many things that came to me, such as the mind and the body.

00:32:22.809 --> 00:32:29.884
We talk often of the mind as being something in the way of our elevation yeah, or our release.

00:32:29.884 --> 00:32:37.084
Our mind is our helper, our tool, but it's been wrongly instructed.

00:32:37.084 --> 00:32:41.795
We can re-instruct it, we can use it, we can love our mind.

00:32:41.795 --> 00:32:53.656
Our mind helps us to communicate, to do things, to touch, to explore, to put things together and to investigate the physics behind it, or the spiritual, if you like.

00:32:53.656 --> 00:32:55.477
I know a lot of people do that as well.

00:32:55.477 --> 00:33:06.672
Work out how to use Zoom for instance.

00:33:06.692 --> 00:33:08.713
Yes, and how to create zoom, you know, yeah thank you to that person.

00:33:08.733 --> 00:33:13.739
Yeah, I mean seriously, and there are some fantastic things that we can do with our mind.

00:33:13.739 --> 00:33:22.007
We can also teach it to help us in a good way for the new path that we're looking for.

00:33:22.007 --> 00:33:35.704
So we can give it tasks such as in meditation, rather than scolding ourselves, for we think we do it wrongly when our thoughts get in the quote-unquote way, do it wrongly when our thoughts get in the quote-unquote way.

00:33:35.704 --> 00:33:49.500
We can give it the task of okay, give me something to focus on, full focus on a breath or a sound, and that is a meditative state and your mind is helping you.

00:33:49.519 --> 00:34:04.781
In my readings, when I work with clients, when I started to trust it, I realized I always start with an abstract image and I've told myself my mind to trust, to go with the image and to follow it.

00:34:04.781 --> 00:34:11.402
And then I don't know when my soul or intuition takes over, but it does quite quickly.

00:34:11.402 --> 00:34:12.809
Now it does instantly almost.

00:34:12.809 --> 00:34:20.135
But when I do that, my mind allows me to do it now because I know it works.

00:34:20.135 --> 00:34:38.802
The story unfolds, the blocks show themselves, the patterns, the story behind the pain, but also the potential to heal, and the energy start to shift and I can convey them with the help of my mind, my words.

00:34:38.802 --> 00:34:43.481
So it's a beautiful collaboration and we can do that.

00:34:43.481 --> 00:34:44.954
Our mind is part of us.

00:34:44.954 --> 00:34:58.204
It's not something to discard, as in our way, I think but if we can embrace it as a tool rather than as an obstruction.

00:34:58.204 --> 00:35:11.079
And actually the same with our bodies we do a lot of funny things to our bodies, but our bodies are also there to support us in this life and we can love it.

00:35:12.309 --> 00:35:25.858
So we're including more and more layers of existence into our acceptance of what it is to be human and be alive, what it is to be in connection with our truth.

00:35:25.858 --> 00:35:37.250
Yes, so we're letting go of those judgments which say I could be in touch with my truth if it wasn't for this form, or if it wasn't for this pain in my knee, if it wasn't for this form or if it wasn't for this pain in my knee yeah.

00:35:37.250 --> 00:35:45.679
If it wasn't for this thing going on in my life yeah, and it's so interesting.

00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.264
Thank you for bringing that forward.

00:35:47.264 --> 00:35:51.523
It's so interesting you say that, because all of that is also you yeah, exactly.

00:35:52.344 --> 00:35:56.643
So that thing, that the thing that does that thought form that I just described, is also me.

00:35:56.643 --> 00:35:59.672
Yes, yes, yes, exactly I.

00:35:59.672 --> 00:36:06.264
I love that, that whole thing of um to me that connects with my notion of surrender, yeah, oh yeah.

00:36:06.264 --> 00:36:17.574
Yeah, there's um, there's a treatment I give and receive, and teach people where where, in order to um receive the treatment, all you have to do is surrender.

00:36:17.574 --> 00:36:24.255
All you have to do is surrender, right lying there, right, you're lying there thinking right surrender.

00:36:24.275 --> 00:36:26.199
You're thinking I'm not surrendering.

00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.121
Yeah, oh, my God, I can't surrender.

00:36:28.382 --> 00:36:31.288
Okay, now I have to surrender to the fact that I'm not surrendering.

00:36:31.288 --> 00:36:37.186
Yeah, exactly, now I have to surrender to the fact that I can't surrender to the fact that I'm not surrendering.

00:36:37.186 --> 00:36:56.324
So now and then suddenly it's over, right, right, oh, just by doing that process of continuing to try and let go and noticing the not letting go, suddenly something has changed.

00:36:56.324 --> 00:37:16.755
But through that, through the living of it because you've talked, you're sort of some of what you said it sounds like it's about the, the living of it, the living of the process, the living of the struggle with allowing or not allowing, or resisting or not resisting.

00:37:17.115 --> 00:37:18.056
Yeah, it's becoming very.

00:37:18.056 --> 00:37:20.240
I have to because I was brought.

00:37:20.240 --> 00:37:28.309
My attention now was brought to this piece of music that's written I don't remember the composer, I'm sorry, it's a contemporary composer.

00:37:28.309 --> 00:37:31.175
I don't remember the composer, I'm sorry, it's a contemporary composer.

00:37:31.175 --> 00:37:41.208
I heard the short version in a concert and it's two instruments that play the same theme over and over but at a different tempo, so it sort of always moves.

00:37:41.208 --> 00:37:54.625
Now the version I heard was, I think, for 20 minutes and you started getting a little bit annoyed, but you never got to the point that the composer really wanted with a long version of it, which is exactly what you're talking about.

00:37:54.625 --> 00:38:23.860
He wrote this piece I think it's for an hour and a half and the audience has to sit there and listen to these two musicians repeating those two themes again and again, but at different sort of tempos and not sort of never meeting in a way, and at first you get quite amused, then you get restless, then you get really annoyed and in the end it's like an elevation.

00:38:23.900 --> 00:38:28.603
You give in, you surrender, and it just opens up everything in you.

00:38:28.623 --> 00:38:36.581
You give in you surrender, and it just opens up everything in you, and I think that's all these processes that we go through has a bit of that in the beginning, especially if you want to create something.

00:38:36.581 --> 00:38:53.356
I'm creating now, this performance based on the book, this theatre performance, if you like, based on all the topics of the book and the music that I create.

00:38:53.356 --> 00:39:22.608
That I talk about how, how I shifted from playing the music in the correct way as a classical musician to creating my own music from one tone and then following and listening to what comes from that, and how I've started doing that more in my whole life, and how that is part of how we can evolve is learn to listen to that first impulse and then follow where it goes, and I'm creating this performance about it and all these creations.

00:39:22.608 --> 00:39:24.900
They have this ah, yes, I'm going to do it Right.

00:39:24.900 --> 00:39:29.485
And I remember when I first got the ideas this is exciting, this is exactly what I want to do with this.

00:39:30.215 --> 00:39:36.561
And then you start working and you're a little excited, and then you start getting a little frustrated because you're maybe not getting exactly what you want.

00:39:36.561 --> 00:39:51.936
And then you have to start to mold it and edit it and it gets very frustrated and then finally you have it ready and you've got it, got it.

00:39:51.936 --> 00:40:22.842
It's like creating a sculpture, yeah, um, I think everything we create and do in our lives have this, and when we embrace those phases which again touches upon the, the contrast between the free flow of the soul, if you like to bring it up there again, uh, and the, the tension of being in this human body, in this human experience, so you, if you can embrace the fact that all movement have these phases, um, then well it'll get easier.

00:40:22.842 --> 00:40:30.677
I think all these, all these uh, shifts, you will be able to embrace them from a different place, from curiosity.

00:40:30.677 --> 00:40:33.585
I find curiosity as a superpower absolutely right.

00:40:34.728 --> 00:40:49.985
So, emma, I mean, if somebody has been listening to what we've been talking about and thinking this is just amazing, how on earth can I actually, you know, engage with some of this?

00:40:49.985 --> 00:40:54.880
Uh, you know, um, I think you mentioned you're actually working with people, helping people.

00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:58.739
Can people come to you for you to work with them?

00:40:58.739 --> 00:40:59.762
How does that work?

00:41:00.603 --> 00:41:01.106
absolutely.

00:41:01.106 --> 00:41:12.869
I mean I work with clients, one-on-one or couples or even groups, sometimes, um, where I I, as I described see the images, the energies that come.

00:41:12.869 --> 00:41:19.994
We work with whatever topic they bring forward, or we just see what happens, um, to release things in their lives.

00:41:19.994 --> 00:41:29.309
So this is, this is the, the help, the therapy, if you like, or or guidance that I can give from.

00:41:29.309 --> 00:41:34.981
It's like a channeled guidance, yeah, but people can do a lot themselves as well.

00:41:34.981 --> 00:41:52.458
I have the book writes also shares a lot of the, the tools and the topics that I have that I work with, both as a guide or and a reader, but also in general, in all my life and and in all my encounters with people and meditation guides.

00:41:52.458 --> 00:42:11.038
And then also you just searching for that which attracts you or you get attracted to, whether it's opening a book on a certain page or switching on the telly and finding a program that really feels right for you or whatever it is.

00:42:11.038 --> 00:42:17.248
When you're on a search, you will find something that triggers your next step.

00:42:17.248 --> 00:42:29.867
You might not always know that's what it is until you've been taking those steps or got a bit further, but, trusting that, whether you go to to me, which is on the website.

00:42:29.867 --> 00:42:32.018
You said in beginning, emma rowena dot n.

00:42:32.018 --> 00:42:33.521
O, you'll find everything there.

00:42:33.521 --> 00:42:43.103
Or you simply ask yourself where can I find the next step?

00:42:43.103 --> 00:42:44.385
You will find something.

00:42:44.385 --> 00:42:53.161
Yeah, and, and I'd like to share something about that very, very, very briefly, because after having finished the book, it's out there.

00:42:53.221 --> 00:42:56.797
I self-published and I asked myself what do I want to do with this?

00:42:56.797 --> 00:42:58.202
Where do I go with this?

00:42:58.202 --> 00:43:13.963
I can have a course, I can open for more clients, I can do talks, many things I wanted to do, but nothing really clicked and I never really found the one thing that I wanted to dig into and work and create.

00:43:13.963 --> 00:43:25.545
And I sent out a few books for endorsements and then one woman wrote back to me and she's an intuitive, and she said you know, I've read the beginning and it's beautifully written and I love the wisdom.

00:43:25.545 --> 00:43:28.159
There's something very, very powerful, the energy here.

00:43:29.402 --> 00:43:30.643
It has to be on stage.

00:43:30.643 --> 00:43:32.907
Do you write for the stage?

00:43:32.907 --> 00:43:37.398
I just see it on stage and there's a piano, because I'm also a musician.

00:43:37.398 --> 00:43:42.471
So, um, and you should really consider that, and that was it.

00:43:42.471 --> 00:43:44.115
Boom, it fell into my head.

00:43:44.115 --> 00:43:45.559
Yes, that's what I've been asking.

00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:46.501
The answer came.

00:43:46.501 --> 00:43:49.556
I ask and you shall be honest, they find the answer.

00:43:49.556 --> 00:43:56.061
Um, I was asking out, I was asking myself, I was asking out to the universe where is my next step, what can I do?

00:43:56.061 --> 00:43:58.454
And I was a bit frustrated because I couldn't hear myself.

00:43:58.454 --> 00:44:00.177
And boom, there it was.

00:44:00.177 --> 00:44:16.702
Something was, was sent my way to remind me of my own, um passion, of what and what clicked with me, and I love performing, so it was just a thing.

00:44:16.702 --> 00:44:21.699
So that's there, that's what I'm working on example, a beautiful example.

00:44:21.798 --> 00:44:23.947
I had a similar thing actually happen early this year.

00:44:23.947 --> 00:44:28.784
There's something I'm creating as a result of that, because there was that thing of.

00:44:28.784 --> 00:44:32.199
There's something that I'm supposed to be doing.

00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:33.864
Yeah, yeah, what is it?

00:44:33.864 --> 00:44:50.025
Yeah, you know, and it's that opening up to that question and opening up to what comes through and receiving it, yes, and not just batting it away exactly it can't be that yeah exactly.

00:44:50.626 --> 00:44:52.710
But and the clue is, what excites you?

00:44:52.710 --> 00:44:55.621
Yes, does it, is it?

00:44:55.621 --> 00:44:59.128
And for me it was like, yes, this is very excited, this I want to do.

00:44:59.128 --> 00:45:16.416
And it was the same with the project that I uh, and I write about that in the book, and the social entrepreneur project is is creating a center, peace center, for young people to learn to discover their own passion and their own expression and inner voice through music and art and through working with each other in nature.

00:45:16.416 --> 00:45:25.097
And that came to me during the COVID period because my mother said something about a shuttle for sale.

00:45:25.257 --> 00:45:30.585
The same instance, a male came in advertising for the lottery and I said, yeah, we'll just win the lottery.

00:45:30.585 --> 00:45:32.608
And boom, my idea was born.

00:45:32.608 --> 00:45:37.585
And I knew I didn't win the lottery, but my idea came through.

00:45:37.585 --> 00:45:42.599
Yes, my vision came through and I'm still working on that vision now and it will happen.

00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:43.681
I know it will happen.

00:45:43.681 --> 00:45:51.454
Things in my life have had to sort of evolve a bit first, but so it can come in all sorts of ways.

00:45:51.454 --> 00:45:59.909
But the trick there again, listening to your voice, your truth, what in you gets excited or not.

00:45:59.909 --> 00:46:01.416
You have that idea.

00:46:01.416 --> 00:46:09.369
And when there's excitement, do we dare to actually listen to that, because that is your soul, your essence.

00:46:10.375 --> 00:46:10.797
Fantastic.

00:46:10.958 --> 00:46:11.280
I love it.

00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.664
Passion You're allowed to be passionate.

00:46:15.217 --> 00:46:16.621
So tell us the name of the book.

00:46:17.295 --> 00:46:19.943
Yes, you, me and All that we Are.

00:46:20.795 --> 00:46:23.342
I love it, so can't you actually buy that now?

00:46:23.342 --> 00:46:25.554
Yes, it's coming out late September.

00:46:25.554 --> 00:46:28.179
This is coming out late September?

00:46:28.179 --> 00:46:34.929
Yeah, it's been out since July, so it's available on Amazon and you can also order it through bookstores near you.

00:46:41.175 --> 00:46:43.951
I'm going to put the link in the show notes so people can actually get it.

00:46:43.951 --> 00:46:52.353
It sounds like the book is something which people can actually work with on their own, absolutely people can actually work with on their own, absolutely, and also when they have the book.

00:46:53.675 --> 00:47:03.619
There's a QR code to access this website where I've recorded all the meditations in extended versions with music, so they actually get access to 18 meditations that follow the book.

00:47:04.181 --> 00:47:05.846
Wow, that's amazing.

00:47:05.846 --> 00:47:08.443
That's very generous, I may say.

00:47:09.775 --> 00:47:13.041
Yeah, I suppose it felt right.

00:47:13.041 --> 00:47:18.268
This is a book that I want to help people with.

00:47:18.268 --> 00:47:26.278
I want to give people the opportunity to explore, and that's what I write through the whole book Explore, be curious what's going on.

00:47:26.278 --> 00:47:37.139
And if I could lift it a little bit by recording the meditations, rather than them having to read it and remember it that doesn't usually work very well, I find no, then of course it's.

00:47:37.139 --> 00:47:49.606
Uh, it would hopefully give them a little bit more of a nudge to, to touch into their own heart and their truth.

00:47:50.094 --> 00:47:50.938
Amazing, beautiful.

00:47:50.938 --> 00:47:51.519
I mean honestly.

00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:52.744
I could talk to you forever.

00:47:52.744 --> 00:47:55.637
We're running out of time.

00:47:55.637 --> 00:48:07.827
Important question for me to ask you you mentioned leaders earlier on, and there are a lot of people in the world at the moment who are trying to be part of the solution.

00:48:07.827 --> 00:48:26.322
You know whether they are formal leaders of any kind, you know business leaders, community leaders, whatever it might be, or simply people trying to, as you said, find the leadership within themselves, in their own hearts, and, um, some of them are listening to this episode right now.

00:48:26.322 --> 00:48:33.170
Is there something you'd like to say to those people in relation to what we've been talking about today?

00:48:34.315 --> 00:48:56.943
Yes, absolutely, and I thought about that actually yesterday, because I had to make a choice myself and I almost made the old choice from fear of not doing the thing that would be perhaps the most sensible thing to do, when everything in me, the voice in me, said I don't really want to because I know there's something else.

00:48:56.943 --> 00:49:27.827
I want to use my energy and trusting that, trusting that voice, because that voice connects, it's a tangent to your intuition, the voice that says that excites you that, even if it's something that other people are opposed to, dare to trust your inner voice, your stomach, your intuition and the the sense of lightness or the sense of joy and excitement is always a good leader.

00:49:28.670 --> 00:49:28.849
Yeah.

00:49:30.135 --> 00:49:35.726
So if you find excitement in your leadership, in your choices, it will flow.

00:49:37.409 --> 00:49:37.889
Beautiful.

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And you might even create something extremely different and new, but it will be true and authentic.

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Yeah.

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I think that's very important.

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I think that's what our future generation of leaders will do.

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More and more, I think so.

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And I'm going to invite you now to give the listeners a phrase or a question to reflect on over the coming week.

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It could be anything, anything, whatever comes to you well, the first question that comes is who are you?

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Um, which is, of course, almost a cliche, but it is it is a very, very important question.

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It's not about who are you and I know you've also have guests talking about this before but who are you in terms of your status or your place in the world, but who are you in terms of what is your inner timbre, which is a musical expression.

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It's like your inner color, your inner vibration.

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What is your truth?

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And you can find it by resonance within your heart.

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So practice listening to that, practice questioning, wondering at that.

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What does it feel like to be you at your heart, at your core?

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Beautiful.

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And final question.

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We've talked about a lot today.

00:51:11.447 --> 00:51:15.686
Yes, has there been a favorite part of our conversation for you today?

00:51:18.181 --> 00:51:19.844
um, oh, there have been many.

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Uh, I think maybe favorite part would be being able to tap into the energies that came and share that with you real time, because I think that was, quite whether people feel it or not, there was something very potent there and and daring to let it come and happen, and even if it stopped the conversation a bit, just I think that was the favorite part, that that was allowed.

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Yes, thank you.

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And that was wonderful You've been prepared to do that.

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I think that's so great.

00:51:58.423 --> 00:52:14.721
That sort of thing is what takes something way beyond a presentation into real-time shifts, occurring stuff happening right now and which I think is a lot of what you've been talking about all the way through our conversation.

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Yes, and it taps very much into what I'm searching for now is to be more and more in the connected state through everything, which means opening up always, now, now, of course, holding your own space is important as you do so, because we need to protect ourselves against the imbalances out there sometimes, but just being allowed to be connected, and I think that's what we're all longing for.

00:52:43.617 --> 00:52:55.166
I agree, because it's our nature, I think I agree yeah, yeah, and I I'm going to add to what you said just that thing of yes, um allowing that for ourselves, that we do that.

00:52:55.166 --> 00:53:01.565
We do need that to allow ourselves to have it, yeah so emma emma rowena hansen.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Conversation today, yes, and um buy the book.

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Tell us again what the book is called.

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You, Me and All that we Are Unveiling your Life's Beauty and Magic.

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Yes, Wow, you, Me and All that we Are Unveiling your Life's Beauty and Magic.

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Ep 170: Emma Rowena Hansen ~ Intuition, Self-Love & Inner Truth

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