Ep 125: Ray Posch ~ Guest Host ~ Exploring Consciousness, Energy, and Spirituality

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Truth and Transcendence brought to you by being Space with Catherine Llewellyn.

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Truth and Transcendence, episode 125.

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I recently had the pleasure and privilege of joining Ray Posh on his wonderful podcast Our Spiritual Life, which I highly recommend and there will be a link in the show notes to the podcast and Ray and I discussed it and decided it would be fantastic to actually share our conversation on Truth and Transcendence.

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So here is Ray hosting a conversation with me about elevating our consciousness.

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I hope you enjoy it.

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Welcome to the Our Spiritual Life podcast, in which I and others discuss how we, individually and collectively, can live more fulfilling, creative and powerful lives through spiritual growth and awakening.

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I'm Rayman Posh, your host, and I want these conversations to support and empower our spiritual life together.

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I'm a spiritual teacher and folk singer.

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To learn more, see raymanposhcom.

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Well, hello everyone.

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Welcome again to another show of Our Spiritual Life.

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I have wonderful guests on this program.

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For all of those of you who are regular listeners, you know that there's always something new that we're talking about, and the same is probably going to be true today.

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My guest is Catherine Llewellyn.

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Welcome, catherine.

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Thank you, ray.

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Thank you so much for having me on one of my favorite topics.

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Very good.

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Yes, we're going to talk about consciousness and spirituality and many, many other things, I'm sure, in the course of the conversation.

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You have a very interesting background.

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I've read your story, but I'm looking at your picture on your website and it says that you're a transformation catalyst, humanistic psychologist, writer, podcaster, free thinker, intuitive healer, conscious dance facilitator.

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Yes, and I'm not sure about this next word palawa.

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Is that right?

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Yep, yep Palawa?

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Teacher, mentor, organizational transformation strategist and a cat lover.

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And, by the way, my wife and I rescue animals too.

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We have cats and dogs, and so I can always relate to you cat lovers or dog lovers.

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But welcome, welcome, welcome.

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How?

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are you today?

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Thank you so much.

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I'm excited to be here.

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I've had quite a week, a lot going on, and I've come to the end of the week and this is a really lovely way to top off the week.

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It's Friday afternoon right now where I am, so what a lovely way to end the week talking about spirituality and consciousness.

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Yes, you can tell from her accent that she's in England.

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Well, wales, wales, wales.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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Oh yes, that's a different part of the.

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UK.

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So don't ever stand in the middle of Wales and say that you think you're in England.

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You could end up in serious trouble.

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Yeah, we're seven or eight hours apart.

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I'm in Denver, colorado.

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But let's get started, catherine.

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Go ahead and tell the audience your story and what brings you to the point that you are, in your life, doing what you're doing, and given that background so they can relate.

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I will do my best.

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Please stop me if I'm taking too long, because we've got a significant number of decades involved in the question.

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So I think the the the significant thing at the beginning of my life was that my parents were highly nonconformist and they would have described themselves as bohemian.

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So they were kind of arty, free thinkers, questioning and nonconformist.

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He was actually shortly after I was born.

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Actually he retrained as a naturopath and osteopath, so that's in the 1950s in rural England.

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So in those days you might as well just put which doctor on your head, on your forehead.

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You know everyone just thought this guy's just completely bonkers and possibly dangerous.

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You know what I mean, but.

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But meanwhile people were coming to him and saying look, the medical establishment has written me off.

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They said there's no cure for what's wrong with me and he would kind of help and sort themselves out using I don't know, diet, herbs, salt, whatever.

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So that was a very interesting thing in my background straight away, very unusual, and already put me in a different group from everybody else I knew.

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So that was an interesting challenge for me in terms of connecting in with what felt kind of truthful and trustworthy, which what he was saying did seem that way to me, was at the same time my need to belong and relate and socialize, so that that, right from the beginning, was a theme and which, of course, over over my life, I've learned a lot about that and I've encountered that in all sorts of different applications in my own life and with clients.

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Meanwhile, my mother was actually an artist from originally an aristocratic family which she'd sort of left in disgust because she was, you know, brought up by nannies and there was a lot of money but not much compassion, it seems, you know, at cold.

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So very, very interesting couple, my parents.

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So right from the beginning I had an unusual upbringing.

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So as I went through life after that, I was always very interested in what is it that's most important as humans?

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How are we happy, how do the things feel meaningful for us?

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And I went through various incarnations of trying this out or the other.

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I worked in computers for a while.

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I went to the Enlightenment Intensive Weekend, which completely blew my mind.

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I went to the Enlightenment Intensive Weekend, which completely blew my mind, you know.

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I went and worked with some people who had no money.

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Starting a company ended up doing behavioral type training, communication skills, voice work, body work, somatic work, and it kind of evolved through one way and the other until at the end I was a very experienced facilitator, coach, trainer type person, went independent in 1998 and set up my own practice and alongside all that kind of work I was experimenting with conscious dance, which you mentioned, energy healing work for my own interest to begin with, my own enlivening and flourishing, and then of course I trained in those things as well so I could then train other people.

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So now you mentioned elevation of consciousness.

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That's really my umbrella, everything I'm doing and I work with people in a variety of ways.

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And some people say, look, I want all of it.

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Catherine, can we just do some body staff and some energy staff and some mentoring staff and let's do all of it.

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And some people are more drawn to one aspect or the other, but they all feed each other and they all work on their own, so I'm actually having a really great life.

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I've managed to build a life where I get paid to do what I love.

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Yes, everything I do is a growth experience for me as well, so I feel very, very fortunate.

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Very good, yes.

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Well, thank you for telling us your story.

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It sounds like you've been doing what you love for a long time.

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I've been a spiritual explorer, let's say for a long long time too, and you were able to move that into a way of producing some income, and doing that full time.

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That's wonderful.

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It's interesting because I met some people when I was still with the company, that the people I met through the Enlightenment Intensive.

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We started a company and when I was still with that company we did quite a lot of work for large corporates who wanted something different.

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And they looked at us and said, well, we don't understand these people, but we can see that they're different.

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So, that ticks that box.

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Let's at least have a meeting and then when?

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I left that organization.

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A lot of those people wanted to keep working with me, but more privately, and they were saying, catherine, why we invited you in was because we knew we needed something different.

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That's not in the books and that's not offered in Harvard Business Review and it's not offered by our management college, and you are definitely different.

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So we thought we'd give it and we thought we could trust you, because you seem like a good person.

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So we thought we'd trust you on a day or two to begin with, and then maybe in a couple of months.

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You know, make sure that you don't actually infect us with some weird new page woo, woo thing.

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In fact, one guy he actually he was the chairman of the board in a very large organization over here, many tens of thousands of people, and he one day he said right, some, you're going to see someone walking around the building soon.

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Some of you are probably going to be working with her.

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I've worked with her already.

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She looks a bit like a gypsy and what he meant was I was in like full length serice floaty stuff which I was wearing intentionally as a message which says you do not have to come to work in gray.

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It's not necessarily the case.

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So it was interesting that it was a niche.

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You know, people who wanted to do something really different and who were a bit bold, you know, had enough trust in themselves that they wouldn't get sucked into something terrible.

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So.

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So when did you begin to focus in on the study and working with consciousness?

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I would say that that's been present my whole life.

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Wow.

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Because my father who nowadays, how he brought us up, would probably be illegal he would actually have us.

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He would be talking to us about philosophy and stuff.

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When it seems we could talk, we like say, yeah, I'm five, and he would say what's your point?

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To him it was completely fine to say things like do you realise you could have just literally popped into existence in this moment?

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What do you mean?

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How could I?

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I've got all these memories.

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And he would say, yeah, you could have popped into existence with the memories already implanted.

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What do you think about that?

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Wow, that's an interesting idea.

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He was constantly helping us to disengage from the apparent way of looking at everything and question right from the very beginning.

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So that was there from the very beginning.

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I would say.

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That's incredible.

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That's so different than my parents.

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My parents are very focused on making a living.

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Making a living.

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My dad was a farmer.

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They were very religious, very traditional, etc.

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So not that free thinking stuff that you're describing there.

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I discovered that much later in my own life.

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Some people say we choose our parents, don't they?

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Some people say that we choose the parents that we need for our particular growth, and I will say having free thinking parents does carry challenges with it, because it doesn't necessarily make you popular at school or with the teachers.

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So there are frozen cons.

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Yeah, and I believe that I believe that we do choose our own parents.

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I've not totally figured out how I chose mine, but I'm sure there's some important logic to it.

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There's somewhere, but or maybe it's not even logical at all.

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It might be something else, but I noticed that you take a pretty holistic approach to life and everything that you do.

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Talk a little bit about the importance of the holistic approach.

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A lot of people get wrapped up in philosophy and still in the mind and thinking about all these spiritual concepts and neglect their body and other aspects of themselves.

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So yeah, let's talk a little bit about Holism.

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Yeah, I think it was when we went into the age of reason, wasn't it, that we started to prioritize the mind and thinking things through and philosophy and so on, which, of course, was great, because it meant we could develop that aspect of ourselves in a way that we hadn't done before.

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But I think something we humans often tend to do and I've certainly done this in my own life is when we get a new idea of something that we think is worth exploring, we can get a bit obsessive with it, and then we can forget about all the other great things.

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And I think one of the things that we've done in the West certainly, I think, less so in East is to start to believe that the mind, the heart, the soul, the spirit, the body, all those things are in fact separate.

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Whereas in fact, they are all one thing, and we know that because we wake up in the morning and we're awake, we gradually wake up, we have what, we do it, but it's not like we go.

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Okay, I'm awake, so right.

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Is my mind awake?

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Is my heart awake?

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Are my legs awake?

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No it's all part of the same thing, it's all connected and, of course, the analytical mindset is useful if you want to kind of tune in and go okay, I've broken my leg Right, I need to fix my broken leg.

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Sitting and meditating may probably is not the thing to do at the moment, or dance, whatever it is Right.

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But in terms of living, in terms of connecting with our inner self, I feel it's important to keep in mind all those aspects, because if we miss one of those out, then what happens is an aspect of ourselves is being neglected.

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It can start to suffer, and then other aspects can start to suffer in turn.

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It's a bit I kind of think of it a bit like if we've got five children, we must take care of all of the children.

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Now, some children need different kinds of care from the other, or different kinds of attention from the other, so we need to pay attention to all of them and look after all of them, and when we do that we have a family that is thriving, right.

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But if we don't, then we don't, and we know this when we think of things outside of us, but when we think about ourselves as individuals, we don't necessarily see ourselves in that way, in that sort of caretaking kind of a way.

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Yes, and it's so interesting that one of the things that really has had an impact on me over the last year Now, I have always been a very logical thinker type, very wanting to understand the concepts, figure it out, and it's been over the years that I've learned to tune in a little more to intuition and other things.

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But I've had a number of guests on my show who are energy healers and they've talked and focused very strongly on energy and not so much the concepts, not that business, and so I've been learning over time that energy is probably a much more important thing to think about or to understand or appreciate or learn from than I had realized.

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I just I kind of thought well, those people are different.

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I don't quite understand it, but you know, but once we tune into our energy, more it is.

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It does give us an ability to be more aware of those aspects and you know we can.

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We probably spend a bunch of time talking about awareness.

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Awareness is, you know, I've really come to believe being self-aware and more aware of the world is one of the most important things we can do.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And, in fact, something I've learned is that we can't really be aware of what's going on outside of us until we're aware of what's going on within.

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Because if we're not, fully aware of what's going on within, then that's colouring.

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That's unconsciously colouring our perception of what's going on without us, outside of us, which means we've got an inaccurate perception.

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And so I've often had people say Catherine, how can I understand other people better?

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Well, start by understanding yourself.

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And they say, oh God, do I have to do that?

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I really have to do that?

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Oh, it does focus on everybody else.

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I hear you, you know, but, yeah, and actually you know, I've been doing energy healing work for years as well, and one of the things I love about it is it does what it does Because of the energy of the recipient, or the client, if you like, and their relationship with the energy.

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So, in other words, something much more interesting and magical happens than anything that I would, as an individual, have been able to create.

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So I'm sort of an agent of something which is much, much bigger than I am, which means the client can get a much, much bigger outcome than if it was simply limited to what I could think of or come up with.

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Yes, and we are energy beings.

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You know, even the physicists and even the materialists have learned to understand that everything is energy.

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But when you approach it more from a very spiritual not spiritual personal basis, you know what is my energy.

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How can I get in touch with my own energy or feel that more than I do?

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Because I think I've learned to feel more than I used to, and it can be quite powerful.

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Absolutely, we've all got the equipment to notice it.

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It's just, you know, practicing.

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Anyone can learn to tune into their energy if they just practice.

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Yeah, and you're reminding me of something I once heard about the body being like you're.

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I can't remember the exact words, but like your laboratory, it gives us a way to get in touch with the world in a more powerful way, absolutely, in fact, funny.

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You should say that I actually released an episode last week saying exactly that.

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The art of tuning into the body, because you're absolutely right, you know when we just the body is the most extraordinary system of picking up information.

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And then what it does with the information and how that that affects us and what it may trigger in us, and how we interpret it and what we learn from it, is just phenomenal.

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Yes, you know even if you just sit.

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I've had situations where I've just asked a group of people to sit in a circle and just be silent with their eyes closed for five minutes and just observe what's going on in their mind and in their body, and often people assume nothing's going to happen, right?

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And then after five minutes they open their eyes and I say, well, did anything happen?

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Oh my God, I can't believe how many sensations and thoughts and feelings and what my energy was doing, and I think I could sense other people in the circle.

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You know, it's astonishing what's there if we just shut up.

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Yes, and just you know, and it's amazing that so few people you know take five minutes of quietness and going within and paying attention.

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You know, we're so wrapped up in our minds and our minds are telling us this story.

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You know that we're how we're interpreting life in good ways or bad ways and you're absolutely but I think you May I just say good for you actually practicing tuning into your energy, because that can be quite a challenging thing to do.

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That when we start doing it, you know, it's because we find stuff out, don't we?

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Yes.

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But we can then feel very vulnerable, perhaps, or we might feel a bit wobbly, or it might be a bit intense, it also might be very, very joyful, you know.

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So it is, I think, tuning into our energy.

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I think is, and of itself I think is, a spiritual act.

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And there are a number of teachers these days that talk about quantum energy, and so I've kind of explored with some of my guests.

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You know just what do you mean when you say quantum energy.

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You know, Because energy is arising from quanta in the physical world or in the quantum field.

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But people have different interpretations of what that word means.

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But you know what?

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I've been impressed with a couple of people who have focused in on the understanding that our cells in our body, in a way, are far more intelligent and therefore important than we've ever really previously understood, and energy that's operating at the cellular level can be described as quantum energy, and it can be defined in many other ways.

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But so do you talk about that?

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I don't use the word quantum when I'm talking about energy.

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I tend to try and keep it more conversational when I'm talking about it with people.

00:25:19.741 --> 00:25:21.066
I mean when I'm doing energy work.

00:25:21.066 --> 00:25:23.531
So you mentioned Pellewa when you were reading out.

00:25:23.531 --> 00:25:25.044
That's actually an energy technique.

00:25:25.044 --> 00:25:28.365
It means radical shift in consciousness.

00:25:28.365 --> 00:25:36.086
So I actually run workshops for that where people can get Pellewa attunements and they can again give treatments and so on.

00:25:36.086 --> 00:25:53.574
So when I'm doing that, I use the language that goes with the Pellewa work, because that's someone else's body of material and I'm following the formula and the symbology and the language that goes with that particular thing.

00:25:53.574 --> 00:26:01.921
Or if I'm doing Reiki work with somebody, let's say I'll use the Reiki language and everything else that goes with that.

00:26:01.921 --> 00:26:21.428
But otherwise what I'm usually trying to do is to help people tune into what is true for them, and so I'm more trying to use more conversational, simple language in a way that helps people to go within and find what's inside them.

00:26:21.428 --> 00:26:24.286
And very often people come up with their own words.

00:26:24.286 --> 00:26:30.951
People often invent their own words to describe what they discover with their own energy.

00:26:30.951 --> 00:26:33.527
And that's when I get very excited.

00:26:33.527 --> 00:26:35.307
I get very excited when people do that.

00:26:35.619 --> 00:26:40.904
That makes a lot of sense and I like what you just said there.

00:26:40.904 --> 00:26:43.170
What is true for them?

00:26:43.170 --> 00:26:53.549
Because I think that's important in many ways and people might ask what do you mean by what is true?

00:26:53.549 --> 00:26:57.430
But I think you mean what they're experiencing.

00:26:57.430 --> 00:27:00.607
What is the real experience that they're having right?

00:27:01.660 --> 00:27:07.451
It's what they're experiencing and sometimes it is also something that feels like a truth.

00:27:07.451 --> 00:27:17.065
So sometimes I find, when people really connect with their energy, sometimes they actually receive insights.

00:27:17.065 --> 00:27:33.226
Now, whether those insights come from their higher self or their subconscious, or from the cosmos or from God, who knows, whatever they think it comes from, that's okay with me, but that's what they're receiving.

00:27:33.226 --> 00:27:44.269
Sometimes it's literally what they're experiencing and sometimes it's more than that Sometimes insights, and sometimes people get images and symbols and whatever it is.

00:27:44.269 --> 00:27:50.342
I always think that was just waiting to come through and it was just in.

00:27:50.342 --> 00:27:52.729
This moment was the right moment for that to come through for them.

00:27:54.102 --> 00:28:09.271
Well, I love your approach of the way you work with clients, but let's back up just a moment and talk just a little bit more about Pell-A-Law, because I think that's probably something that a lot of people in the US may not have heard about.

00:28:09.271 --> 00:28:10.965
Is that an Australian word?

00:28:11.800 --> 00:28:12.423
Yes, it is.

00:28:12.423 --> 00:28:14.549
Okay, that's right.

00:28:14.549 --> 00:28:18.193
So it means radical shift in consciousness.

00:28:18.193 --> 00:28:35.249
Okay, it was the founder who originally channeled Pellawar channeled it 15 or 20 years ago now in Australia and to begin with she was only teaching it in Australia.

00:28:35.249 --> 00:28:58.912
And then a very good friend of mine who I think is dual nationality, british and Australian, or she might be Australian but she can come to England, I don't fully understand it she kind of disappeared for 15 years back to Australia, came back to the UK and I met her and another friend for lunch and said what, what, what have you been doing for 15 years?

00:28:58.912 --> 00:29:00.317
And she said Pellawar.

00:29:00.317 --> 00:29:01.942
I'm now running Pellawar workshops.

00:29:01.942 --> 00:29:02.845
I said what's that?

00:29:02.845 --> 00:29:05.271
She said radical shift in consciousness.

00:29:05.271 --> 00:29:07.403
I went I want to do it.

00:29:07.403 --> 00:29:11.576
It was one of those instant, instant things that people get sometimes.

00:29:11.576 --> 00:29:20.923
And I did the workshop the following week and then I was a practitioner and then I trained as a teacher five years later, last year.

00:29:22.164 --> 00:29:26.314
So it, but is the the techniques that are involved?

00:29:26.314 --> 00:29:28.282
Are they energy based?

00:29:29.145 --> 00:29:30.650
Yes, it's an energy technique.

00:29:30.650 --> 00:29:33.920
So Pellawar energy comes straight from source.

00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:36.964
It's a very high frequency energy.

00:29:36.964 --> 00:29:40.089
It comes straight from source to the recipient.

00:29:40.089 --> 00:29:58.375
There is no directing or interpreting or intervening in the energy by the practitioner, so it's it's like it's almost like the, the.

00:29:58.375 --> 00:30:12.116
It's almost like the client has like a direct conversation with the Pellawar energy, with no one else involved, and the Pellawar energy actually guides the practitioner to move or be still or whatever.

00:30:12.116 --> 00:30:12.218
That.

00:30:12.218 --> 00:30:18.455
The practitioner doesn't actually touch the client, they are away from the client.

00:30:18.455 --> 00:30:23.436
So it's a very interesting experience because, as a practitioner, what's going on is a mystery.

00:30:23.436 --> 00:30:24.079
You do not know what's going on.

00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:27.737
You don't know why your body is moving the way that it is.

00:30:27.737 --> 00:30:35.133
You just know that you're being guided and you just trust that.

00:30:35.133 --> 00:30:45.627
The consciousness of the client is, you know, contracting with the Pellawar energy to give the client whatever it is that they need, which you, the practitioner, don't know what that is.

00:30:46.510 --> 00:30:54.395
Yeah, but somehow the practitioner does guide the client to be more in touch with the source energy, right?

00:30:54.395 --> 00:30:54.676
No, they don't.

00:30:54.758 --> 00:31:13.446
All the all the practitioner does with Pellawar is they they open, they call in the Pellawar energy and all Pellawar is an interesting thing, because with Pellawar you, you don't sell it, you don't tell people it would be good for them to do.

00:31:13.446 --> 00:31:16.076
You don't ever try and persuade somebody.

00:31:16.537 --> 00:31:23.119
You put it out and you let people know it exists, and then people just know if it's the right thing for them.

00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:30.424
If it's the right thing for them, wow, sometimes they might call up and ask more questions, and then they just know.

00:31:30.424 --> 00:31:33.740
But it's a because it's about consciousness, you see right.

00:31:33.961 --> 00:31:39.002
But like if I was giving you a treatment to do with consciousness, energy, energy for your consciousness.

00:31:39.002 --> 00:31:41.092
I can't interfere with that.

00:31:41.092 --> 00:31:42.880
You know, who the hell am I to interfere with that?

00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:49.579
Your consciousness is your own, sovereign, sacred piece of soul, piece of existence, you know.

00:31:49.579 --> 00:32:02.730
So the way it would work is that you might say Catherine, I want to come on your workshop, or Catherine, would you give me a treatment, and we'll arrange, set up a time for it, whether remotely or in person.

00:32:02.730 --> 00:32:12.603
And at the beginning of that time I'll say right, I'm about to begin, I call in the Pellawar energy, and then it's you and the Pellawar that's doing it.

00:32:12.603 --> 00:32:16.597
You're asleep or dozing, or awake or whatever.

00:32:16.597 --> 00:32:23.395
You don't know what's happening, so I'm not guiding it, but the Pellawar is using me to amplify it.

00:32:23.395 --> 00:32:27.767
It's causing me to move around, but I'm not deciding.

00:32:27.767 --> 00:32:30.655
My ego and my will are left at the door.

00:32:33.865 --> 00:32:35.892
Yes, Well, this is fascinating.

00:32:35.892 --> 00:32:43.271
I'd love to learn more about this, but, you know, I think we can talk about some other things as well.

00:32:43.271 --> 00:33:06.277
But when you say radical shift in consciousness, is that like a radical awakening that people experienced, or are they feeling mostly shifts in something very deep, you know, which could be described as energy or consciousness?

00:33:08.664 --> 00:33:13.337
It's highly variable, again, because it's relating with the client's consciousness.

00:33:13.337 --> 00:33:27.041
Pellawar always responds to the client's consciousness with whatever it is that that person actually needs at that time, which will be different for everybody so and will be different on a different day.

00:33:27.041 --> 00:33:33.026
So I've had multiple Pellawar experiences and I've had multiple different experiences with that.

00:33:33.026 --> 00:33:47.025
So, for example, for one person it could be that the shift that they need is to let go, just let go, right, and they might fall asleep perhaps, and stay asleep for three hours after the treatment.

00:33:48.249 --> 00:33:49.212
And they might wake up and go.

00:33:49.432 --> 00:33:51.180
Oh my God, I feel like I've been reborn.

00:33:51.380 --> 00:33:53.525
You know, because what they had to do is let go.

00:33:53.545 --> 00:33:55.308
Right For someone else.

00:33:55.308 --> 00:34:07.296
Maybe what they need is to wake up, or maybe someone else needs to get over themselves, or, you know, it's completely different.

00:34:07.296 --> 00:34:17.492
And I think we've all experienced shifts in consciousness throughout our lives, some of which have been quite sudden and some of which have taken place over a long period of time.

00:34:17.492 --> 00:34:23.835
And if we track back over our lives, we'll notice that those shifts are all.

00:34:23.835 --> 00:34:27.987
There may be a theme running through some of them, but often they're all different.

00:34:30.054 --> 00:34:51.681
Like you know a shift could be something like suddenly waking up in touch with love more so than ever before, or in touch with courage, or in touch with humility or peace, whatever it is, and it's very, very fast because this energy is very strong.

00:34:51.681 --> 00:35:04.293
It's much, much quicker than doing it through, let's say, meditating or coaching or any of those things, because it's like a very highly direct thing.

00:35:04.293 --> 00:35:06.302
Yes, it's quick.

00:35:07.804 --> 00:35:08.365
Amazing.

00:35:08.365 --> 00:35:12.452
Yes, glad we talked about it.

00:35:12.452 --> 00:35:13.554
You can see why I like it.

00:35:13.554 --> 00:35:15.043
Yes, I see why.

00:35:15.043 --> 00:35:18.048
Yes, it sounds very powerful.

00:35:18.048 --> 00:35:18.789
I like the.

00:35:18.789 --> 00:35:20.693
You know what.

00:35:20.693 --> 00:35:24.543
You may have heard the word quickening.

00:35:24.543 --> 00:35:27.088
Yes, it's been used recently.

00:35:27.088 --> 00:35:31.666
There's a quickening in the conscious human consciousness.

00:35:31.666 --> 00:35:38.744
That is taking place, at least among some people, and I hope it spreads.

00:35:38.744 --> 00:35:51.070
But anything that puts us more in touch with consciousness, I think is and in more direct ways, is good.

00:35:51.070 --> 00:35:53.054
That's what we need.

00:35:53.074 --> 00:35:55.780
I absolutely agree with you.

00:35:55.780 --> 00:35:56.320
Yes, yeah.

00:35:56.661 --> 00:36:18.628
When I was an atheist for many, many years and I had this event happen and it put me into a mode of being more tuned in to the fact that I had a lot to learn about the universe and I needed to wake up a little more to what's happening.

00:36:18.628 --> 00:36:39.942
And I did a lot of spiritual exploration and the key thing that I kind of came away with a number of years later was the most central thing is that there is one universal consciousness and everything arises out of that.

00:36:39.942 --> 00:36:52.389
And you know, and once you understand, that everything is consciousness, it can explain a lot of things about hell.

00:36:52.389 --> 00:36:56.335
See, what's it called?

00:36:56.335 --> 00:37:05.853
Telepathy works, those kind of things, but much, much more than that, I mean, and that's what you've been talking about all along.

00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:14.626
Yes, it's a wonderful journey, and I think everyone who does what you've been describing, what self-doing, is part of the solution.

00:37:14.626 --> 00:37:23.168
It's part of the evolution of mankind, in my opinion, yes.

00:37:23.168 --> 00:37:28.019
So thank you very much for doing that, because that will have helped me as well as everyone else.

00:37:28.701 --> 00:38:02.967
Well, and I agree a lot Over the last several years I've had conversations and shows talking about awakening and evolution of consciousness and of course they're very well connected there, because awakening is kind of the individual view of evolution of consciousness and you know, I believe that we need evolution of consciousness so much in the world right now.

00:38:02.967 --> 00:38:07.523
I mean all of the negativity people complain about.

00:38:07.523 --> 00:38:13.884
You know how bad they feel when they listen to the news, you know, and I would say, well, don't listen to the news.

00:38:13.884 --> 00:38:32.510
But it has to do with humanity not quite being at the level of consciousness that we would like to be yet, and so we need to participate in that elevation, or awakening, or ascension, or whatever we choose to call it.

00:38:33.500 --> 00:38:38.460
Yeah, and I think we are doing that collectively and it's a journey.

00:38:40.463 --> 00:38:41.644
Exactly, I agree.

00:38:41.644 --> 00:38:55.534
And yeah, I've been diving into so many different resources related to consciousness and awakening and evolution and it's you know.

00:38:55.534 --> 00:39:16.655
You hear so many different perspectives and people talk about it in different ways and different terminology, but we can learn from all of it and the more we directly experience it instead of just talking about it is a key, and I can tell that you completely agree with that.

00:39:17.398 --> 00:39:18.139
Absolutely right.

00:39:18.139 --> 00:39:24.081
Yeah, I have friends sometimes who try to understand what energy is about.

00:39:25.333 --> 00:39:25.514
And.

00:39:25.815 --> 00:39:31.900
I've sometimes spent hours trying to explain it and then eventually I've said look, I can't explain it in a way that you can understand.

00:39:31.900 --> 00:39:36.460
Either you experience it or you won't understand it.

00:39:39.137 --> 00:39:41.987
And that's not my fault, right, right, right.

00:39:41.987 --> 00:39:50.940
Everyone's coming from a different place and we all operate in different ways and learn in different ways.

00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:58.840
So all of the variations are important in a way, in what people are doing these days.

00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:12.614
So you talk about bridging the gap between inner growth, work and personal achievement, kind of the outer world.

00:40:12.614 --> 00:40:18.940
Talk about that a little bit and how you work with people on that topic.

00:40:19.621 --> 00:40:54.195
Yeah, it's an interesting one because, again, I think it's less true now, but certainly back in the 80s and 90s, when I was working with a lot of corporate clients, everyone seemed to believe that you could either be working on your achievement or you could be working on your growth, and it was a conflict and I remember first of all thinking, well, obviously that's not true, but that's not very helpful comment.

00:40:54.195 --> 00:40:59.239
So I thought so how can I help people to actually understand the synergy?

00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:11.501
So I started doing a process where I would work with people, where they would come and spend like a whole day with me once a month over a period of time.

00:41:12.251 --> 00:41:22.092
And each time we got together, we would talk about what was happening in their work and in their lives.

00:41:22.092 --> 00:41:35.054
We would pick out an aspect of their own growth that they wanted to do and we would pick out a very important aspect of their achievement that was important to them for the next month.

00:41:35.054 --> 00:41:50.442
And then we would come up with a plan where it would help them achieve the achievement in a way which would help them to learn the growth thing and it would help them to do the piece of growth and learning in a way that would help the piece of achievement.

00:41:50.442 --> 00:41:55.721
In other words, we would come up with like an integrated theme plan, if you like.

00:41:55.721 --> 00:42:01.389
And so, for example, it'd be like okay, how many meetings have you got Excellent meetings?

00:42:01.389 --> 00:42:07.621
Okay, in each meeting, use it as an opportunity to practice this piece of learning.

00:42:09.710 --> 00:42:16.222
Or there'd be a piece of learning they wanted to do about, I don't know, tuning into people's energy.

00:42:16.222 --> 00:42:18.757
Let's say I'd say great.

00:42:18.757 --> 00:42:21.217
So you want to learn to tune into people's energy?

00:42:21.217 --> 00:42:26.601
What opportunities do you have when you're going to be around people in a different variety of ways?

00:42:26.601 --> 00:42:28.335
Well, I've got my family.

00:42:28.335 --> 00:42:29.775
I've got wandering through the building.

00:42:29.775 --> 00:42:31.114
I've got my golf club.

00:42:31.789 --> 00:42:34.057
I've got this and that.

00:42:34.057 --> 00:42:50.958
Okay, so each day at the end of the day, make a note about what you noticed about energy in the humans that you were with that day and make a note of the opportunities you want to tune into the following day and make a note of any questions arising for you out of that.

00:42:50.958 --> 00:42:54.759
So I don't understand what this thing I picked up, what does that mean?

00:42:54.759 --> 00:43:01.436
Write it down and then, once a week, send me those journal writings and the next time we get together we'll talk about it.

00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:04.429
These are just examples right.

00:43:04.429 --> 00:43:04.570
Yeah.

00:43:06.452 --> 00:43:08.336
And over time.

00:43:08.336 --> 00:43:13.795
When they first started coming to me, they felt like they were taking your day away from work.

00:43:13.795 --> 00:43:16.476
They were losing a day of work, right.

00:43:16.476 --> 00:43:32.331
Eventually, they'd show up and they'd go Catherine, I get more useful work done in these days with you than I do at any other time, even though I'm not actually working because they would come out with such insights and learning.

00:43:32.331 --> 00:43:38.322
They would get so much more bang for their buck, if you like, from their activities.

00:43:38.322 --> 00:43:41.735
Right, because they were learning to integrate it.

00:43:41.735 --> 00:43:45.635
Yes, and it was delightful to see it, wonderful to see it.

00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:57.900
Yes, and the way you began there talking about achievement versus inner growth.

00:43:57.900 --> 00:44:06.639
If you were to look at my website, I've got a little blurb on the homepage there.

00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:10.757
I didn't talk about it in those terms but I talk about.

00:44:10.757 --> 00:44:11.800
So.

00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:24.773
Many people think that there's this big division between the practical world and achievement, et cetera, and spirituality or inner work.

00:44:24.773 --> 00:44:46.422
And if you really dig into it you come to realize the more you change through inner work, it percolates out into your external world for one thing, but you can approach that in a good way of working towards integration.

00:44:46.422 --> 00:44:49.797
I think that's very valuable.

00:44:50.572 --> 00:44:52.356
There are many, many ways to do it.

00:44:52.356 --> 00:45:03.661
I do a program now which is simply called Reflections, where someone just shows up on a regular basis for a session and there's no plan.

00:45:03.661 --> 00:45:07.440
We just talk about whatever is there to be talked about.

00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:13.903
We reflect on it and it sounds really unstructured and like nothing much is going to happen.

00:45:13.903 --> 00:45:17.456
But over a period of three months.

00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:31.996
Extraordinary things happen because that person is they're using their mind to help them to tune in to their emotional realm, their energetic realm, and to reflect on everything that's happening in their lives.

00:45:31.996 --> 00:45:38.414
Yes, and so they can repeat what's working really well, they can build on it more, they can learn from it more.

00:45:38.414 --> 00:45:44.699
It's delightful to see what people do with that.

00:45:45.340 --> 00:46:26.795
Yes, one of the things that I learned I think it was probably from either Barbara Mock's, hubbard or whoever it was talked about that you can learn to become more aware more of the time in the state of awareness, which is at a higher level than any mental state, where you're wrapped up in your thinking, and I often say the mind is a tool for the being that we are, the spiritual being, and the body is a tool as well.

00:46:27.670 --> 00:46:43.255
But we can learn to use the mind in a more powerful way, kind of going in and out of mental activity, and that's exactly what you're describing there, and I've learned that that is very powerful.

00:46:43.255 --> 00:47:05.255
You can, for example, you can kind of go into a meditative state and think about certain things that you are trying to understand in yourself and then stop and journal for a while and kind of switch back and forth.

00:47:05.255 --> 00:47:09.916
But, yeah, very, very powerful.

00:47:09.916 --> 00:47:27.762
One of the things that I saw in your bio somewhere I think it was you talked about conscious dance, yes, and I think that sounds like something that I love, but tell us what that means to you.

00:47:29.050 --> 00:47:41.099
Well, I was trying to explain this to a neighbour of mine who was a rock musician Okay, long hair, leather jacket, jeans, you know, and I was.

00:47:41.099 --> 00:47:47.416
He said tell me what this is, because I was running classes locally at the time and so I tried to explain it.

00:47:47.416 --> 00:47:56.864
He said, ah, he said right, so you can dance yourself into oblivion or you can dance yourself into awareness.

00:47:56.864 --> 00:47:58.938
I said that's exactly right.

00:47:59.981 --> 00:48:02.250
Wow, very cool, I love it.

00:48:05.784 --> 00:48:07.269
I said I'm going to use that quote forever.

00:48:07.269 --> 00:48:10.400
He said, Dave, you know, knock yourself out.

00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:13.759
So yeah, there's no alcohol.

00:48:13.759 --> 00:48:16.277
It's often done in the daytime.

00:48:16.277 --> 00:48:17.375
I always do it in the daytime.

00:48:17.375 --> 00:48:19.735
A lot of people do it in the evening.

00:48:19.735 --> 00:48:32.376
There's music playing, there's no steps to learn and there's no obligation to dance with a partner.

00:48:32.376 --> 00:48:38.795
So you might be dancing by yourself, you know, in a group you might be just dancing with everybody.

00:48:38.795 --> 00:48:42.458
You might be dancing with one person or with two people, or with three people.

00:48:42.458 --> 00:48:47.661
You might just move in and out of all of that, depending on what feels right for you.

00:48:47.661 --> 00:48:56.518
Or the facilitator may actually make a suggestion and say look, could you take a partner just the next bit, If they want to just kind of mix it up a little bit.

00:48:56.518 --> 00:49:03.702
When I do, I tend to just let people just flow with whatever they're going to do.

00:49:03.702 --> 00:49:10.195
It's like a meditation but you're dancing and you can't get.

00:49:10.456 --> 00:49:11.478
I actually trained.

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